e martë, 3 korrik 2007

Burnet’s commentary on what follows os estin tis Socrateis down to the end of our reading, poion, is so good that I just want to transcribe it nearly verbatim, for my edification, and yours if you choose, and the world at large.

Pps. 155 – 157

B 7 σοφος ανηρ. This was not a compliment in the mouth of an Athenian of the fifth century, B.C. Cf. Euth. 3 c 6 sqq.

τα τε μετεωρα φροντιστης ‘a thinker on the things on high.’ The construction of a verbal adjective or substantive with an object accusative is common to many Indo-European languages. It is not very frequent in Greek except with εξαρνος.

τα μετεωρα (called τα ουρανια 19b5) are literally the things ‘aloft,’ ‘on high’, whether the heavenly bodies or what we now call meterological phenomena in the more restricted sense, clouds, rainbows, ‘meteors’, &c. The distinction of astronomy from metereology is connected with the later separation of the heavens from the sublunary region; in the philosophy of Ionia no such distinction was recognized. In the Clouds (228) Socrates is made to explain that he can study τα μετεωρα πραγματα better in the air than on the ground. This study was characteristic of the eastern Ionian philosophers, the Anaxagoreans, and Diogenes of Appolonia, and they are called for that reason μετεωρολογοι. In Attic writers the word and its cognates often imply a certain impatient contempt. Cf. Rep. 488e4.

φροντιστης was a regular nickname of Socrates, and Aristophanes called his school the φροντιστηριον or ‘thought factory’. The Connus of Ameipsias, which was produced the same year as the Clouds (423 b.c.e.) and also dealt with Socrates, had a chorus of φροντισται. Now the use of φροντισ for ‘thought’ and of φροντιζειν for ‘think’ is Ionic rather than Attic. In Attic φροντιζειν is ‘to care’ or ‘to heed’ (generally with a negative), and it is clear that the continual use of φροντις and φροντιζειν in the Clouds is intentional and means that the words struck Athenian ears as odd.

τα υπο γης, ‘the things under the earth.’ Just as the study of τα μετεωρα was characteristic of the eastern Ionians, so that of the interior of the earth (of which they had discovered the spherical shape) was characteristic of the Italiotes and Siceliotes, and especially of Empedocles. That Socrates was familiar with his theories can hardly be doubted, as they were attracting attention at Athens when he was a young man, and Plato has made him give a vivid description of the subterranean regions on strictly Empedoclean lines in the myth of the Phaedo (114c4).

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Plotinus tha...

Is it worth noting that both "The Clouds" & "Connus" were produced in
the same year?

Meaning that Socrates was for some
reason particularly in the public eye?

After all, satirists tend to attend
to what everyone is already talking about ...

So what was Socrates up to, circa 423 BCE?

BB tha...

Wow, good eye. Yes, I think that is worth noting.

So this competition, for comedies, has three entrants. Two of the three (who finish 2nd and 3rd) have Socrates as their main target. Meaning that you're absolutely right, "Socrates was for some reason particularly in the public eye."

What was Socrates up to, circa 423 BCE?

Yeah.

One thing to possibly consider is the age of Aristophanes. Born 448, I have him at 25-ish around the time of the performance of CLOUDS. To state the obvious, Aristophanes would have just passed, basically, the age at which he could be expected to be among those around Socrates. Perhaps his peers had done just that, etc.

Of course, this theory depends on Aristophanes being at Athens, which off the top of my head, I don't know.

Interesting!

Did you get a copy of CLOUDS? I managed to finagle one yesterday.